Friday, June 26, 2009
Review > Nicros > Lotta Balls
From the base up these holds are a little strange to get to grips with, their geometric bases are slick and then the only place for someone to grab is the balls that are on the various angles that compromise these holds; I'll admit that it took us a few go's on some of the routes we set to get them to a place where we could complete the moves we'd set, but that is part and parcel of being a routesetter! Deceiving is a good was to describe these holds as well, many a time we've been talking about how to hold the grip in it's specific orientation and we've been totally (not just a little) TOTALLY wrong; Nick O has done an amazing job, these shapes do have a particular feel to them that says "balance is going to be key"
We had these at the wall when we grabbed a half set and Noodles used them in a route with some other black holds we had, he set the holds we had; the largest one and the two top holds in the above picture; as the crux move of a route that ran at 5.10+ The comments that came back from some of the staff was that it was the best route that he'd set at the gym for a while and they especially liked the tricky back step move off of one of the holds to the largest that spanned one of the stepped overhangs at the gym. It was a tricky route that really tested peoples grip strength and balance all the way up, despite the fact that he ran up it the first time in his 5.10 Guides it still proved to be tricky for a lot of the climbers, many making it to the top in one pumpy session and others getting stumped at the pinch move on the large hold (It was a real balance and trust move :P Noodles)
Even after a couple of months on our wall, and a month away at the gym we still had more to do with these holds, when they're set on a corner they make some wicked wicked pinches / open hand grips that test your trust in what you can hold, in most cases you can hold them but others you just find yourself on the floor. Noodles actually broke his foot last week when we were wrapping up our filming for the video below, you'll see a cut right at the end of the video when he fails on a route that we're still trying and kicks the wall so hard he flew backwards and into Eve who had just walked through the door into the room... all in a flurry of swearing as he missed the blank part of the wall and kicked a pointed foot hold :( He takes his climbing seriously!
So people will have a hard time reading the holds, that's not a bad thing to have in your arsenal if you're setter, or if you're playing on your home wall. They're not the easiest, they're not the hardest but they are fun to play with.
We'd like to know how many iterations they went through to get to where these holds are today. You can tell a lot of thought went into the placement of the balls, which have enough texture for you to holds and pull, but you're going to be surprised by how delicate you have to be with them when you're on them :P
These holds get three ratings, incut, sloper and flat, because it really depends upon where and how you're set these holds on your wall; we've been from crimps to wide pinches to around the edge pinches with these holds with little or no effort, nearly all of the holds can be matched, but you will have to work for it as these holds are hard. We'd suggest them for larger home walls as they are hard, but they are versatile.... and good for up to a 45 degree wall, it'd be nice if the were some more of these with different sized balls so they really cater for beginner climbers a little more... not that beginners can't climb on them, they can and they're going to have a lesson in how to hold a strange shape and then if they're using them for feet afterwards a lesson in footwork and that's something that these holds are good for as well. If you set the hold so it's just right for our hands, chances are the feet aren't going to be optimum so you can catch people out pretty easily. If you're good with your feet the amount of options available are huge, but if you're of a mind set to dump your foot onto the biggest / closest thing you could and probably will be surprised by what's going to happen, us we'd not be surprised as we got caught out too :)
It's surprising how many options there are to hold on these holds, we're constantly finding new ways to put them that makes for some either easy to just plain hard moves, the choice is yours, but if you get them you've got a Lotta Balls, that's for sure!
Versatility: Rotate for a new grip position, if you can hold them
Screw Holes: No
EVE
Promiscuity comes with a share of risk and the wall at climbing hold review lives precariously as it is making out with a lot of people and toys. I was stunned as I entered the room of the wall last week.
Me - WTF noodles!!
Noods - What?
Me - The disease on the wall for f@$# sake. Where does that comes from?
Noods - Red rock Nevada… well it originally comes from there but then spread to Minnesota
Me - Do these gazillion zits have a name? By the way; I’m not popping any of these.
Noodles - Lotta balls
Me - I know…
Noodles - No, it’s the name… and don’t lick them.
Me - hummm…
I gotta say that I did not play that much with these holds. Not that they were disgusting (but the color is weird) or anything like it but it just happened that way. Anyways once you stop starring at them (which is hard) and start feeling them in more intimate way; you quickly realize that they are not amateur stuff. In the sense that they are pinches/crimps but man these are tiny finger tip deep holds. Don’t get me wrong, they are fun… actually quite fun… even versatile in a weird way but HARD. Nicros is not lying when they describe it: “when you need a little extra something”.
As for the texture well there is not enough skin that gets in touch with the balls to really make it a matter of discussion :)
The route that I tried was not easy but taking advantage of these shapes. Their versatility became obvious as almost nobody did the route the same way and yet everybody had fun on it. Keep in mind that this is rare… not the fun part… the variety. We usually all end up doing it in a similar way except for the foot placement (there are giants and midgets in the crew).
Bottom line: Hardcore people should buy some. As for me, I would not discard them but they are a bit intense and expensive for my level of climbing / budget. That being said every gym should have some. They are really interesting so make sure that you do look and TOUCH them in order to make your own opinion.
All that said I must reiterate that they do look like a rock disease.Thursday, March 26, 2009
Review > Nicros > Burly Bits / Diff Tex Footchips
You would think that the Diff Tex foot chips are dual tex but they're not they have a textured area and an non textured area (Editors note: isn't that dual tex?), which is different from a Dual Tex hold, confused? So where we... here's what the Nicros site says this about them:
"1 Tick footchips offer a little more texture and varies the location of the texture when compared to the No Tick footchips. We offer three different sets of the same shapes that sport both a "textured" area as well as an "untextured" area with the texture located in different areas of the hold. These holds force you to really look at your foot placements. Isn't that what improved footwork is all about? Technical Course Setters rave about these footchips!"
Ah see, these are different from normal footchips! Nicros are being sneaky!! So these aren't your normal Dual Tex foot chips these are really really deciving... more than you think, they should pretty well be in most setters bags we think, especially as there four different variations of the same shapes!! Yup FOUR, one set textured, one set with practically no texture, and then two sets with small areas (like we have) but in different places, so you can leave up the same handholds and just switch the feet!! Would we be so mean to do that?? HELL YEAH, i'd bring a chair and a cup of coffee and watch people just get spat off of the wall :)
The Burly Bits on the other hand are dual tex! They're all made with the textured part on either side, and can be used as pinches, while the center part is smooth. It doesn't make much difference when you're using them as hand holds but there will be no smears when it comes to your feet. After bringing them back from the gym you could see the rubber on the textured part of the hold only. The crimps are bigger than you would expect due to some of the large incuts but they can still bite the fingers a little, not in a "ow ow ow" way, but in a positive way that lets you know you're on the hold properly! The sloping shapes from the set would be best on a slab. Once again balance is needed to navigate these holds.
And onto our wall :) We had them on the wall before they went to the gym, and we were having a hard time with them on the 30 degree overhang, they're do-able, but you really need to hold on! They make for some great powerful climbing, and again when you pair them with the footchips, you're going to be screaming to hold on and to get your feet on the good part of the hold. It's well documented that Noodles doesn't like crimps, he likes his fingers and would rather leave the superburly (HA!) climbing for outside or when he's competeing, but that being said even he thought that they were some pretty interesting shapes, with a good mix of shapes.
When we brought the holds to the gym they where set on a vertical wall. Most people could get through the climb and there where no complaints about the size but when you put them on any kind of overhang, look out!!! The crimps are bearable and the little "slopers" are only good for your feet. Some people did come back with the comment that the hold shapes felt a little too similar from hold to hold, it's a interesting point and one that we looked at once we brought the holds home, there is a degree of similarity between some of the holds but as they're all crimps with a small variation in size we can see why people think this! (It's also because we did have some duplicate holds up there aswell :P) Overall it was fun watching people try to grab the footchips rather than some of the holds to get up the route... wrong move!!
If you need to set some technical balancy moves on a slab or vertical wall these are something you should look at, if you want crimps for anything past 30 degrees overhung we suggest you give them a miss.... hopefully Kim-Burly will shape some more of the same style holds that are better suited to steeply overhung walls :)
The footchips can be used anywhere, they're going to tax peoples footwork to the absolute limit, from vertical to steeply overhung terrain we're having a hoot and will probably pick up the other sets pretty soon... they're that good!!
For the feet, its pretty well the same as above... they're very well made and do what they're supposed to do, we're torn to say that these are some of the most technical or devious foot chips that we've ever come across!
WHAT THEY'RE
Resin... strong resin :)
These holds came in with a few chips here and there, but this is because UPS (or was it Fed Ex?) played touch football with the package again. We've noticed that this has happened alot with some shippers. The hold were
RATING
NOODLES SAYS
If you're looking for tech feet, look no further... if you're looking for a set of granite style crimps then these are for you, but be advised the steeper you go the more air time you'll end up getting :D
CHRIS
- Great for setting
- Big pinches, small pinches, crimps... mini slopes, this set has them all
- Footchips are super technical, you will end up with great footwork!!
- Could pop a tendon on an overhang, crimpings baaaad!
- Some of the shapes do feel a little similar to one another
Burly Bits are $27.97 (Normally $39.95 THEY'RE ON SALE!) for 10 holds
Diff Tex Footchips are $37.95 for 10 holds, there are four different sets for your setting pleasure!
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Review > Nicros > Skin Saver Crimps
"Wanna climb on the 60 without feeling like you're climbing on the 60? Skin Saver Crimps are available in all shapes and sizes. Every hold is strategically Dif-Texed, revealing just enough texture to help preserve your pads." That piqued our interest, and once they arrived they were one of the first sets of holds to be bolted up and hauled on...
What's interesting about these holds is the nature of the dif-texture on the holds, some are left or right hand bias and when you grab them your fingers fall into the optimal spot with the textured area! We set some routes all over the wall, from the 15 to 45 degrees to the ceiling and what you're going to notice is that these holds are exactly as the Nicros site describes, nice big dual textured crimps, as usual we had the video camera on hand to record some of the routes (We're using a new video package, so the quality is better (you can watch in high quality) but the editing is a little bit below our normal standard!))
The holds preferred realm is going to be steep walls, so our holds now reside on the new 45 degree; all of the holds are nice and positive without turning themselves into jugs, the steeper you go the harder they get, but they never get to the point where you say "they're not going on to that", they always remain and feel very doable. We think that the holds are a nice in between set for people that have been climbing for a while that want to haul on steep walls, for beginners given the right hand / left hand bias these will teach (if set right) route finding and problem solving, for the strong climbers out there; there is enough hold/grip to slow you down should you misread the problem or route. There is a lot of fun to be had, the amount is up to whomever sets the route
When you put them on a roof they do feel marginal... they weren't designed for roofs so don't expect an easy time if you set with them there. That being said, if you're feeling strong and your padding is good then they are more than climbable when your back is pointing at the floor
The bold holes are centred, and uses Nicros their Versa-center system that allows the use of any bolt type, these areas do seem to be a little fragile as during shipping and putting the holds on and off of the wall these areas cracked and chipped a little, nothing serious structurally, but it's not what we expected to happen!
WHAT THEY'RE
Resin, so they're pretty strong. I've over tightened one hold on purpose with different bolts and it was fine. The holds that had chips in the centres just lost a little bit more of the effected area, one of the holds won't be taking a champagne headed bolt anymore because of this.
Packing was good, some of the holds centres were chipped when we opened the box, nothing massive that changes the climbing experience!
RATING
NOODLES SAYS
CHRIS
- The name is fitting, we didn't lose any skin
- They are designed for 45-60 degree walls and they work perfect on this terrain, anyone looking to climb on steep's won't complain!
- Well priced
- Take any bolt type
- They could have made the radius of the hold lips larger (but they are crimps)
- On some of the holds, the area around the bolt hole chipped
- We wish the color was louder
The Skin Saver Crimps are 10 holds at: $54.95
Review > Nicros > Infinity Board
The board arrives at w
some perseverance I get the holds set so I can hang them easily and start doing some dead hangs and some assisted pull ups. I really think that the texture on the slopes needs to be a little more aggressive th
We switch the slopes for the pockets and go for another round of pull ups and hangs,
The final set of holds for the board are the pinches, and they're again not as big or as easy as we expected them to be, an easy pinch should have nice soft curves and a nice deep area to grab. We think that these are the closet to an easy hold out of the set, they're big enough to do pull ups on but not so big that you can hang off of them for minutes at a time. Right now we're using them instead of the rails as edges, because they have a slightly nicer edge to them than the rails.
SUGGESTED
No symbol needed here, the board is obviously made as a modular training board. You can mount it anywhere you wish, above a door is a prime place to mount this beast! As a training tool for training specifics, pinches, slopes, jugs and edges, it is good, but you're going to have to move the holds around if you want to get variety out of it. Moving holds mid workout is a
OVERALL BUILD (BOARD)
The board is fib
But as a fiberglass shape it's well formed and we've not seen anything like it, the structure is sturdy and it's been built to last, but there are problems that do need to be addressed with something of this kind, there was one problem from when Noodles was carrying it home from work, the
OVERALL BUILD (HOLDS)
Nicros have made holds for a good long time, so you're going to get some quality shapes from bomber quality
We think that as we have the easy set of holds, these need to be looked at a little more:
- Pockets: Are smaller than expected, and you can only get three fingers into them. For a beginner pocket we were expecting something that'd allow four fingers, they have a slight edge upon them that catches you when they're placed on certain angles
- Rails: These can only be placed on one of the surfaces of the board, and should have the edge of them rounded off as they catch your finger pads. They are nice and deep, but they should taper so you can train for different edge depths, right now they're a constant depth all the way along
- Pinches: They're not as easy as you think, we're using them as edges as they're slightly nicer on the fingers than the rails. You'd expect them to be more beginner friendly than they are.
- Slopers: The texture needs to be beefed up, and they have a super wide grip so beginners are going to have a hell of a time hanging them. One of our slopers is hollow backed and the other is solid, which was a little strange.
WHAT IT'S MADE FROM
The board is fiberglass and the holds are
RATING
NOODLES SAYS
Along with all of the negatives and improvements that we've suggested some people will reap huge benefits from this board and holds, but I'm going to point out a number of things that we've not had in the review above and what most people might not realize: The board is: $159.95, and the holds are $119.95 on top of the price of the board, someone must be having a laugh pure and simple. As a concept I applaud Nicros on their forward thinking, but I'm not sure that many people will buy something that's as multi use like this, they want to just get on and train without moving holds around.
Now that being said adding a Croc Bloc from Nicros to the board will make it better for all around training, this is something that I shall be doing in the next few weeks, as it will add more variety to the board.
Last time I checked most hang boards prices were sub $100, hell Nicros own hangboard is $89.95, so $160 for the base is steep, adding more for the holds is just insane. My advice is this: a standard hang board has more variety without having to move holds around, sure if you want to train real serious specifics then the Infinity board is more able to accommodate you (but honestly I cannot see any thing that the Infinity board does that a hang board doesn't do three times over), buying a standard hang board is cheaper... by $180, if the first board doesn't have what you want, buy a second one, and you still have $80 to spend on a night out. Harsh but fair. I love Nicros holds, they have some of the best shapes on the market, I love their EHT (Extreme Hold Technology) shapes, but this time they fell short of the mark for me, it's a finite board, not infinite.
CHRIS
Other than the price, I found that the shapes aren't half bad. The rail didn't dig into my fingers and the pinches are a good width to get your hand around but they work better as ledges. The pockets could be a little bigger if the holds are meant for chin ups or for strengthening your lock off but if they are designed with hanging exercises in mind the pocket should be smaller with different varieties incorporating three, two or one finger on the same hold (like those that you see on the bottom portion of most hang boards). I'd rather see these pockets on a route than a training board. Another point that I disagree on with Noodles are the slopes. If you've been keeping up with our reviews the past few month you'd know that we've both had problems with the tendons in our fingers. Now the perfect half sphere shape of the hold makes your hand sit flush around the hold, with your weight pretty much evenly distributed along the length of your fingers. It was actually a relief to be hanging off of the slopes!
All in all this could be a valuable training tool if you want to train specifics and if Nicros could find a way to lower the cost. You'd have to invest into other system holds (or matching pairs of holds) so it will match your specific training and level of climbing. In my opinion, if you're looking at getting the most for your money I would go with the standard hang board or better yet bolt a bunch of system holds to a piece of plywood and stick it above you door.
- Modular hangboard, use it as you wish
- Three different difficulty's of holds, so pick your level and train what you need
- Good concept
- The price is a big factor, the board and sets of holds are expensive
- Not enough variety, you can train slopes, pinches, jugs and rails on all the sets of holds, but you only get one type of each per set
The Infinity Board is: $159.95 (board only)
A set of holds are: $119.95, there are three sets easy, medium and hard
The board and holds will be available in October
Review > Nicros > Combat
The Combats for one bring up certain images of fighting, and this is compounded more by the fact that these holds have little kung-fu images embossed on them... no really! Look at the above image and you can see the little guys on the left of the picture. Although we knew that the little fighters were on the holds they were not all that apparent until you actually climb on the holds and get some chalk onto them, once you've touched the holds the raised image is easier to see :)
I set a route that has some similar moves to what was set way back when on the E-Grips 2-Tex Pure Crimps (Yes they are crimps but I was using them as pinches more than crimps!) you can see that video here, it was an exercise to see how these holds matched up with similar moves and with these holds... and after playing for a few hours it can be simply put that these holds are nice positive pinches that depending upon the way you rotate them can be hauled on my pretty much anyone. Of course there are a few holds in the set that are harder than others but even these are positive, they're just a little thinner than the rest. Once we'd got a feel for the holds we did something that no normal person would try with these holds.... we stuck a few on the roof, making sure ay the same time that we had some nice feet so we could see how they felt when you have to grab them overhead. The video below tells the story better than words :P
I have to admit that I was surprised by the fact that these holds are actually big enough that you can hold onto them on a roof without feeling like you're going to pitch off onto the mats, bare in mind that we weren't going horiz
Where these holds are going to shine is on steep overhanging terrain, on vertical or slightly overhanging they're nice, but once you get them onto a wall that is 45 degrees over then these start to become really interesting and good core tension is going to come into play to be able to haul on these. What makes these holds a good buy is the fact that if you place the holds horizontally (rather than vertically) you get some interesting single pa
SUGGE
OVERALL BUILD
Nicros are a big company and they know what they're doing, and these holds are what you're going to expect... quality workmanship, The backs are smooth and uniform, the bolt placements are perfectly centred so that the holds don't spin when they're dyno'd to or when your foot is on top and they're at an angle. The texture of the holds is good enough so that on an overhang they've got bite, but not so much that you couldn't pull on them all day and still have your skin intact, and then add the dual texture centre makes for some interesting footwork. There's not a sharp angle on these holds anywhere, and they're pretty ergonomic so your fingers don't take a beating
RATING
NOODLES SAYS
If you read the Nicros Training page, which is written by the Eric Horst, who's written a bunch of books on climbing, you can see the full list of holds that he recommends (here) for indoor training that Nicros make. I found the page after we'd written our suggestions on angle and it's nice to see that we're spot on for what we recommend using the holds on!!
I prefer pinching to say crimping so I like these holds a lot and had a bunch of fun making Chris make noises as we gripped the holds for the video. We've had a bunch of pinches that we've reviewed over time and these are some of the nicest that we've had our hands on. They're good enough for steep walls and some serious training or for setting easy routes for beginners that teaches them body movement. Right now the holds are at Allez Up on a 5.10 that I set last weekend, I'm using them half of the set in their intended format on the first part of the route so the only feet that the climber has is the slick dual texture part, and then on the second part of the route they're set as slopes and crimps. From what I've seen and heard so far people really like the holds, there's been no complaints.
The only thing I can fault Nicros on is the fact that their packing wasn't that good, some of the other holds in the box had moved around in transport and had chipped. It wasn't a case of Fed Ex throwing the parcel around, the box that arrived at my door didn't have a scuff mark or ding on it, it was just a case of loose holds moving and bumping into each other. I spoke to Nicros about the problem and they're sending replacements out, their customer service once again has been faultless!
CHRIS
These holds are kind of a double edged sword. On one hand they can be used as pinches, sloppers or crimps (big ones for that matter) and its great to have diversity in a hold but they are all designed to be similar so you know what to expect when climbing on them. With this in mind they can be set up on a system board without too much trouble.
With the exeption of a couple of holds being chipped in transit (thank you Fed Ex) the Nicros holds are well made. When we were going to the gym with the holds we had them in a carry on suitcase (you know, the one with the wheels) and I had the missfortune of catching the wheel on a crack on the side walk and lost my grip in the handle. Even after doing that a couple of time the holds made it the gym in one piece. The mixture that they use is easy on the skin and although the Combat Pinches have a sharp angle on them they don't bite into your hands.
PROS
- Some of the best pinches on the market for training
- They're multi use holds, if you use the holds in a horizontal position they are nice one pad slopes or incuts.
- Skin and tendon friendly design
- (Minor point) Can't see the little fighting guys on the holds, they could be raised a little more
- All the holds have a similar design, you know what to expect from one hold to another
- Nicros packing wasn't all that great the first time around
The Combats are $56.95, and considering you're getting 10 training friendly pinches the price is pretty good.
**Thanks to Brian O'Connor for sorting us out with the holds, he's leaving Nicros on Sept 5th and we wish him all the best in his future endevours, lucky bugger will be living right next to Smith Rock**
Review > Nicros > Jug-Or-Not?
We've had this hold for around a month, and how happy was I that I ordered it? Pretty damn!
I had the hold shipped to work, so the receptionist bared the brunt of my "has a package arrived yet?" questions.. oh and what a happy day when it did, then and only then did I realize that it's really quite large... how large??
This large:Big enough to fit on the largest head! It's HUGE, which lets face it is pretty damn cool.
Now grab your wrench and start tightening, and when I say wrench I mean socket wrench, this hold has some serious hardware with it... once on the wall add some of the holds that come with it and start pulling. We didn't actually add the holds at first because we wanted to see just how slopey this hold is. Well we have a lot of slopes over here at Casa Del Noodles but we weren't expecting this......
...sloper heaven, and this is on a vertical wall, in fact which ever way you do turn it, it's hard to hold. But hey least I managed to get higher than Chris. Once you get over pulling without the holds that come with the main base you can have hours more fun just bolting them on and going nuts (It's what we did most of the night)
Heel hooks, knee bars, hell we even put some other holds onto it and chucked it onto the ceiling
All we want now is the No Evil triple set (see the Nicros website for that one) once we get those we're not leave the house for a month :)
RATING
NOODLES SAYS:
More more give me more, this hold is just so damn versatile it's not funny. It's hard to hold onto when its on the vertical, and its REALLY hard to hold onto when its on an overhang. Where this hold comes into its own is as a mini (?) feature that you can use to bolt other holds to. What is a nice surprise was the small holds that came with the main event. The quality and texture of these holds is pretty damn good (I think we'd set a route with them before we put up the big hold)
I was amazed by Nicros - Extreme Hold Technology (EHT), if this is the future of large volumes (light strong and affordable) then I'm expecting to see more and more of them at the commercial gyms and gracing peoples home walls.
Nicros are also on the ball when it comes to shipping orders and when you call or email them, they'll get back to you pretty damn quickly, even if its to ask if your hold has been shipped yet. I think I dropped them a mail one morning and someone called me back within 30 mins, how crazy is that???
CHRIS' FINAL WORD
The question for me is would I spend $100 on a single hold? Hell yeah, after seeing this at Casa Del Noodles I'm going to order the Apex (on the left) from the looks of it we can get some mantles in!
Jug-or-Not?, well its not a jug till you bolt some holds onto it, but its probably one of the most thought provoking holds that I've climbed upon lately. The texture on the main body is just enough to hold onto, so the grooves and features come into play. It's a great hold and if your loved one really loves you then they'll buy you a big Christmas stocking and they'll buy you a Jug-or-Not? :P